April 25, 2012

"In a country where we saw buildings knocked down by people who based their destructive impulse on God's will..."

"...  I do not appreciate this religious symbolism at all."

24 comments:

rhhardin said...

Islam is bad for buildings.

edutcher said...

But Zero is talking to the Tahleebahn.

So the War on Terror is over.

leslyn said...

Symbolism, Althouse, not liberalism. You're the one who used "symbolism" then veered off into the literal. Perhaps you would benefit from reading more of the posts on that thread, about "symbolism."

leslyn said...

And anyway, it's free speech. I betcha you'd be quick to defend other expressions as long as they didn't involve religion. A religious hostility has come through your posts lately, including you as a teenager and your daddy.

Dante said...

If it weren't religious symbolism but had the same images would it change your acceptance?

Ann Althouse said...

"And anyway, it's free speech. I betcha you'd be quick to defend other expressions as long as they didn't involve religion. A religious hostility has come through your posts lately, including you as a teenager and your daddy."

Disagreeing with speech isn't an argument for censorship. It's more speech. Never forget.

And your attack on my father and distortion of what I've said about him and about religion are really despicable.

Your use of the expression "your daddy" is ugly. It makes you look ugly.

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gerry said...

In Vladivostok, the Russian Orthodox Cathedral of the Dormition (Assumption) of the Blessed Virgin Mary was blown up on Easter Day 1937.

Not by Islamists. By Communists.

Followers of a fraudulent belief system.

Paddy O said...

You're assuming it's about symbolism and it's about you.

It's not literal but it's certainly not just symbolic.

leslyn said...

Wow. I didn't attack your father. You did.

The phrase "your daddy" comes from my tendency to use southern speech patterns, since I lived there 15 years. I also say "mama" and "y'all" and other colloquialisms. But I will be certain NOT to say "daddy" in future.

leslyn said...

Where did "censorship" come into this? I said you'd be "quick to defend" other types of speech. Never did I say, nor imply, that you were advocating censorship.

Sheesh.

Amartel said...

File Under:
1. U R Missing The Point
a. People who co-opt religious symbolism to support their personal agenda.
...
hhh. Leslyn

leslyn said...

@Amartel:

Well. Isn't that what a great deal of public religious speech is about? Personal agendas tied to religion? Abortion, birth control, homosexuality, school prayer, women's role in society, even civil rights? To use a religious symbol from the far right, the KKK and cross burnings.

Because one form of speech turned up here as religious symbolism, does that means it's wrong to use religious symbolism in speech? You used the terms, "co-opt" and "personal agenda." Am I mistaken in inferring that you think it's wrong to use religious symbolism in speech? Or only that it's wrong in this case?

FedkaTheConvict said...

To use a religious symbol from the far right, the KKK and cross burnings.


Talk abour rewriting history...

Mary Beth said...

The phrase "your daddy" comes from my tendency to use southern speech patterns, since I lived there 15 years. I also say "mama" and "y'all" and other colloquialisms.

What part of the south?

I've spent my entire life in the southern U.S. and would not refer to the father of someone over the age of six as "your daddy".

Chip Ahoy said...

If at the end of seven circumlocutions they would all simultaneously whip out a vuvuzela and honk its one note noise in unison, and when they ran out of lung capacity take another breath and honk again

Hoooo,ooooo,ooooo,oooo,oooooo,ooooo,oooooo,ooooo,ooonk

all together and overlapping like one big hoooonk, instead of using actual brass trumpets that could stand a chance of bringing down a sturdy building, then I wouldn't worry at all about architectural collapse.

leslyn said...

FedkaTheConvict said...
"To use a religious symbol from the far right, the KKK and cross burnings."


Talk abour rewriting history...

4/25/12 2:51 PM
The KKK still uses biblical passages in ceremony. Cross burning has become limited to meetings.

leslyn said...

Mary Beth said...
"The phrase "your daddy" comes from my tendency to use southern speech patterns, since I lived there 15 years. I also say "mama" and "y'all" and other colloquialisms."

What part of the south?

I've spent my entire life in the southern U.S. and would not refer to the father of someone over the age of six as "your daddy".

4/25/12 4:00 PM
South Georgia. County Georgia. Where still the most proper way to open conversations is with "How's Moman'em?", and an inquiry into family connections; "my daddy" is a common way for adult women to refer to their male parent; and other phrases such as "mash the button" and "I carried my momma to the store today" are common usage.

Bless your heart.

leslyn said...

FedkaTheConvict said...
"To use a religious symbol from the far right, the KKK and cross burnings."


Talk abour rewriting history...

The KKK still uses prayers and Biblical passages in meetings. Cross burning has been pretty much limited to meetings but is still a part.

augustus said...

These self-described clergymen have certainly not thought through the implications of their chosen symbolism.

The walls of Jericho fell so that the Isrealites could kill the inhabitants and take their land. Are these protesters advocating the slaughter of the inhabitants of the Supreme Court? If they wall they intend to make fall is the border fence, you they think those already inside this country deserve to be slaughtered?

Amartel said...

Leslyn, you are expert in missing the point in order to change the topic. (No, that's not what I said. Yes, you are mistaken. Not only mistaken but, apparently, directionally challenged: the bit about the "far right" and KKK and cross burnings - someone actually from the south would know better.)

leslyn said...

augustus, go to the thread from which this was taken and read about "Jericho Walks." Then you'll understand better.

leslyn said...

Would know better what, Amartel? That the KKK isn't far right? That they don't have meetings using prayer and the Bible? Stop hinting.

And instead of switching direction yourself, you could have answered the questions I directed to you.