September 22, 2015

Presidential candidates on late night talk shows.

I had "Colbert" on the DVR and watched a little of Ted Cruz, then shut it off. Noticed there are clips up showing Fiorina on Jimmy Fallon's show. Watched the one where she sings to her dog. She has 2 Yorkies, and yet when Fallon asked her if her singing was "dorky," she failed to say "It's not dorky, it's Yorkie!" So that annoyed me.

24 comments:

David Begley said...

Carly sings better than Hillary.

tim in vermont said...

I am starting to go off of Carly. I have no issue with her HP time. As an HP retiree, I know a little bit about that and to get a non interested story out of that time is impossible. It is pretty clear that she was hired to knock heads together at HP where a complacent culture was in no shape to compete with the Asian tigers coming into the business, and that kind of job is guaranteed to breed resentment.

What bothers me is that she doesn't seem to have done much since then. I know she didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting elected as a Republican in California, but her resume is a bit thin. I would certainly vote for her in the general, as her resume is far more impressive than Hillary's but I don't know who I am for as of now. Unless I find out that she got to the top of HP by marrying somebody and defending him from credible accusations of sexual assault, of course.

Maybe I will give Kasich a look.

campy said...

"she failed to sat "It's not dorky, it's Yorkie!" So that annoyed me."

Doesn't take much to turn a liberal off a republican.

CatherineM said...

I blame Bill Clinton.

CStanley said...

Tech question: Anyone know why certain posts have links that don't work on IPads? This is one of them....on the home page I can't open the title, the comment link, or the link within the post. I did a search for Fiorina and got to this post that way, and all of the links work. This has been happening with 2 or 3 posts everyday.

pm317 said...

yet when Fallon asked her if her singing was "dorky," she failed to sat "It's not dorky, it's Yorkie!" So that annoyed me.

If you have not noticed, Carly is not spontaneous that way. I heard somewhere she was called the power point princess.

Hagar said...

Hillary! should refrain from simulating laughter on TV.

Ben Carson did not say anything about setting up a religious test for presidential office. He just said he was not going to vote for any Muslim at this time.
So Ted Cruz is full of it.

And anyway, there are no Muslim politicians showing any intent of running for president at this time or even wishing to do so.

And Kessler at WaPo is also full of it. That "experts" on Islam tell him there is no such thing as taqiyya in Islam is not believable when there are so many examples in history of sultans and caliphs being assured by the imams that an oath sworn to the infidels carry no weight, so go right ahead and break that treaty.

Ann Althouse said...

@CStanley I haven't noticed that on my iPad.

Ann Althouse said...

"Doesn't take much to turn a liberal off a republican."

I wasn't turned off either to Cruz or Fiorina. I'm just impatient with the late-night talk-show format. The candidate comes out and tries to be likeable. They're putting in their please-like-me time. They have to do that. I don't have to watch.

Ann Althouse said...

"Carly sings better than Hillary."

Hillary knows she's a bad singer. I find that far more charming than a politician that thinks we're going to find her singing delightful.

tim in vermont said...

Well, if you had used a semicolon, you could have fit charming and Hillary into the same sentence. That would have been quite an accomplishment and I am annoyed that you missed it!

Michael K said...

"there are no Muslim politicians showing any intent of running for president at this time "

Yes, well at this time no.

Of course, that guy who went to madrassas in Indonesia doesn't count.

Brando said...

"Of course, that guy who went to madrassas in Indonesia doesn't count."

I'll assume it doesn't count, or else every Jewish kid who attended Catholic schools will have some explaining to do back home!

I'm fine with a Muslim president, and would hold him to the same standard as a Christian or atheist--will they keep their religious beliefs or nonbeliefs separate from their duties and protect the freedom of relgion (or nonreligion) for everyone else? If so, we're fine. If not, problems.

Of course, if you define a true Christian or true Muslim as one who wants to impose theocracy (or a true atheist as one who must destroy religions), then any such person is unacceptable as president, but then we're getting into "no true Scotsman" territory.

Michael K said...

"if you define a true Christian or true Muslim as one who wants to impose theocracy (or a true atheist as one who must destroy religions), then any such person is unacceptable as president, but then we're getting into "no true Scotsman" territory."

No, just take a look at the few , very few, polls that look at Muslim opinions.

There are a few places you can find estimates.

There are between 1.2 and 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Half are women. While a substantial percentage of Islamic women support jihad, less than one in fifty Islamic terrorist acts is actually perpetrated by a female. That leaves us with a maximum pool of jihadists that is just over 50% of the total population.

The overwhelming preponderance of terrorist acts are conducted by young Muslim men 15 to 30 years old. This age bracket covers about half of the male population of the Islamic world, leaving us with a potential jihad pool of 25% of all Muslims - approximately 300 million people.

The most logical way to determine the percentage of Muslims who are salafi/fundamentalists - a precondition to jihad - is to consider the most recent elections in Islamic countries. For example, the fundamentalist Islamic group Hamas received 65% of the popular vote in "Palestine." The somewhat secular Fatah, at least by comparison to Hamas, won only 30% of the votes.


Read the rest and tell me he is wrong

Ben Morris said...

Did you watch the full clip? She says her dogs aren't dorky, they're yorkie. If she's said that again 5 seconds later it would have sounded forced.

Brando said...

Michael K--whether what you cited is correct or not, it doesn't really refute my point, which is that what matters is what the individual in question believes. Surveys of the world's Muslims (which can be inaccurate depending on how questions are asked and the nature of the society in which they are asked) do not necessarily coincide with surveys of American Muslims. American Muslims, for example, are nowhere near as radicalized as France's, and large numbers of them (e.g. Iranian immigrants) tend to identify more with their nation of origin than their religion, and tend to be far wealthier than the average American.

But even if say 80% of American Muslims wanted a sharia-based theocracy, then my standard still applies--granted, only that 20% would qualify under it--but it is the individual and not the collective group that matters. I'd even vote for a Scientologist if they don't let their Scientology get in the way of good governing.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

I find that far more charming than a politician that thinks we're going to find her singing delightful.

Hillary is almost as charming as a rat with a pizza slice.

CStanley said...

Weird....I still have to keep coming back to this thread by searching (actually using the back button, but still can't access from the home page.)

Anyway, I think Bushman may be on to something- the rat and pizza video as a metaphor for Hillary's presidential ambitions.

Hagar said...

Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Turkey have all had women presidents or prime ministers, and they continue to hold elections more or less on the European model to elect their leaders.

However, in the problem countries this is still all considered blasphemous.

grimson said...

Althouse wrote: "I'm just impatient with the late-night talk-show format. The candidate comes out and tries to be likeable. They're putting in their please-like-me time. They have to do that. I don't have to watch."

The like-me is part of it; but for Republicans, it also is a chance to reach low-information voters and knee-jerk liberals who never encounter alternative views.

During the Cruz segment, Colbert brought up gay marriage and asked for Cruz's position. Cruz went with that this is an issue for the states, not the federal government, nor 5 Supreme Court justices. Colbert observed that marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, to which Cruz pointed out that the Tenth Amendment therefore leaves it up to the states.

I think Colbert can have reasonable and entertaining conversations with those he disagrees with, but his audience makes that impossible. (He had to reprimand his audience at one point.) The late-night talk-show format is not the problem, the braying mob in the audience is.

rcommal said...

If you wanna know what a candidate's truly about, look to that candidate's followers. Followers define leaders, in most cases, in the modern world and certainly in the U.S. It's amazing to me that people don't realize this obvious thing. Still, it's obvious even if people aren't realizing it, much less acknowledging the truth of it. (At least not openly, yet.)

rcommal said...

To throw out a corollary: Alpha followers do realize the truth of what I just wrote at 9/23/15 1:10 a.m. They just don't want to acknowledge it, is all.

rcommal said...

Believe you me (or not;--what the hell, who cares?), Alpha followers are no better than erstwhile leaders. In some ways, even in a few significant ways, Alpha followers are worse, and make no mistake about that, unless--of course!--you want so to do that.

rcommal said...

I see through you.